[Krijak]

Ok folks, it's been a long time in the making, and playing some Gore SE mods has got my wheels a rolling again. I planned shortly after the development of Patriots, a "King of the Kill/Survival" mode level where hordes and hordes of baddies attempt to take over your fort and either kill you, or a crate (nuke or what have you). It would play much like the BAX mod for Gore except the enemies would utilize the random waypoint/combat points that Patriots has. I will have AI friendlies based upon level of difficulty. Massive health and ammo to keep you rocking, and i think multplayer of this for coop can be hacked. I think your online allies will be nothing more than floating arms though, the only real downfall. Does this sound good to those who would like to pull Patriots out for one more go?

Take note that you will have to edit the missions god of the game itself to get it in there, so you would have to be very very VERY careful not to ruin your game and keep a backup of the original files. Secondly, the map will be a very quick rehash of other levels in the game to cut down on production time, nothing new and totally amazing.

OR

Should i focus my efforts in another Gore level?

OR Neither.

[deadman]

mr krijak,

i loved patriots. i would love to see a mod like bakpax for patriots.
as for online coop..if it wasn't ever intended then forget it.
it would be neat though to see some patriot maps for gore,
like the neighborhood one.

personally, you would be doing a lot of work for a handful of people
who actually paid for and have the game. you efforts would reach a
larger audience and achieve greater reward if they was given to Gore SE.
but thanks for everything already.

[Acromus]

I'd say that it's up to you ... whatever you enjoy more.

You will reach a greater audience if you make it for Gore SE, that's for sure. ;) :yes

[Lead]

It wouldn't too much but some god file stuff to get scoreboards and characters working for MP. Patriots engine code is pretty similar to what GoreSE uses.

The main issue for people would be that there was no intended multiplayer, so we didn't buy a Gamespy ID for Patriots. So if you edited the gods to put the Gore server browser back in you'd probably have patriots games browsing and hosting games under the Gore tag which might be a little confusing unless people tagged their server names.

[Krijak]

I think the only way to pull off multiplayer without some significant code is to know the persons IP address and key it in the console, like connect ###.##.##.## whatever. Server browing would be mostly out of the question. Point is to have a crazy single player experience where you can kill hordes and hordes of guys for 20 minutes while they try to overtake your compound.

[Acromus]

How about importing these playermodels from Patriots to Gore? :)
And then make this gamemode for Gore...

[Krijak]

Here are a couple options to look at.

During my time working strictly with Gore SE, i spent some time trying to get Multiplayer to comprehend waypoints so enemies would at least move about the level and take defensive positions to make bot matches a little more enjoyable, where in the Bakpax they all stand in one spot, this just doesn't work.

Waypoints only work in SP. So if we wanted to create this kind of MOD for Gore SE this is how i forsee pulling something like this off, and this would require some work.

The level would have to be a Single Player map in COOP mode, that is, if COOP mode still works in SE. Last i heard it was broken. I would have to toy around with it because it may mean altering the singleplayer.god files, but there is a chance that as long as it is flagged as COOP it will show up in the server list without having to be in SP--im optimistic about that probability, IF COOP mode still works. I don't think i can code in a "new" game mode aside from the ones that are already there, so unless there are some volunteers to help with that, i'm at a loss.

Porting Patriots Models and levels over to Gore SE would not be a very good idea, as the model, texture, and level sizes are about 33% larger than gore so everything would appear very big to the player models in Gore (given i remember correctly, its been like 2 years now).

[Lead]

Acromus said:

How about importing these playermodels from Patriots to Gore? :)
And then make this gamemode for Gore...

I think with Gore things were constructed where something like 10 game units was around 1ft distance. For anything made after Gore I think they were made with 16 units being a 1ft.

So if you put Gore characters next to Patriots characters they'd probably be oddly proportioned. Another downside is Patriots characters might not fit through the doorways of Gore maps heightwise.

[Acromus]

Giants!
David vs Goliath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Darklimbo]

I voted for another Se level.

[Krijak]

Ok, after doing some preliminary testing, i was able to get all aspects of creating this kind of scenerio for Gore, EXCEPT the respawn code that Patriots uses doesn't work in the new SE. While i'm not entirely sure how the BakPax mod works, it would be the only way to hack this kind of thing together in Gore, OR have someone code in the respawn parameter from NGHA...other than that, it all works fine. :L

That being said, in the meantime, i will probably continue with a new Gore SE level. It was just a fun thought to throw around...i was just anxious to mix it up a bit.

[Sardonic]

Youve played BaxPax right? Well, make GoreSE maps that would work well with the BaxPax mod.

Why fiddle around with anything other than GoreSE. Pretty usls imo.

Your map Stakeout is highly appreciated, some even call it The Best so far. So why try to please a handful (if that) while you could please the entire Gore community?

Ive also been fiddling around with a new mode for Gore:

Tact Conquest
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The goal of this map is to try and reach the enemy side.
There will be 2 verzions of this map: UMC vs MOB and MOB vs UMC.
2 maps for the effort of 1 :yes

Basically, one team camps (clan X will love this mode) and the other tries and find ways to penetrate unnoticed (hmm, sounds familiar, hahaha)

Im pretty sure you could build a map (like in the pic) like this in less than a month.

[Spyder]

I'd definitely rather see some sort of Gore SE mod. Even fixing Duels would be a decent thing for the game...but something completely new would be rad.

I don't know how much you can do about that though. :S

[Joel Huenink]

SE was built with patriots technology so most everything we did in patriots should work for SE. Remember that cool little demo map I did for patriots where theres like a huge bot war going on in the rain? I'd like to see something like that for SE where its just a crazy single player AI campaign that utilizes everything we put in to patriots into a Gore level.

[Krijak]

Joel Huenink said:

SE was built with patriots technology so most everything we did in patriots should work for SE. Remember that cool little demo map I did for patriots where theres like a huge bot war going on in the rain? I'd like to see something like that for SE where its just a crazy single player AI campaign that utilizes everything we put in to patriots into a Gore level.

It can be done, but for some reason the respawn code doesn't work in Gore SE...at least not in the trial runs i've done. Is there some tweaking that has to be done to the monster god files?